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on Monday afternoon Captain Ray Bowyer

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was piloting a routine passenger flight

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from Southampton to Albany but to his

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and the passenger's surprise a strange

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object became visible on the horizon

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you've been a professional pilot for 20

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years you've flown thousands of flights

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you're putting your reputation on the

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line here so you must truly believe what

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you saw was was very real in my years of

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experience I've never seen anything like

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this and frankly I'll be perfectly happy

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not to ever again it's a pretty chilling

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thing and

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from my first sighting of it which was

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initially 50 maybe around 50 miles away

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perhaps 40 miles away from the actual

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object it appeared to be fairly small

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but it must have been pretty huge it

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must have been very very much larger

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than I thought it was originally I

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totally a traffic control that they

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asked me for a size approximately I said

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about the size of a 737 perhaps twice

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the size but in reflection seeing this

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object from about 40 miles away it must

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have been

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very very much bigger than that perhaps

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maybe a minor cross perhaps were you

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scared

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I wasn't too happy but that way I was

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quite glad to get on the ground and have

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a cup of tea

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so this appeared as a solid object using

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this pad Could you actually draw for me

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what you saw well

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um getting close to it let's see a

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binoculars I could see a sort of a shape

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very much like this

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extremely pointed very long and thin and

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uh it should be slightly thinner than

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that but this area

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about two-thirds away Along the fusion

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laws was pretty dark

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this was very brilliant yellow very

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golden yellow and very dark in this area

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now what's particularly interesting

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about this case is that not only did you

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see it but your passengers saw it and

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indeed radar picked it up can you tell

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me about that as I understand it there

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was a plot taken on the Jersey Radar

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um to be a couple of miles south of the

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Cascades lighthouse

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um and another aircraft also flying in

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the vicinity from the Isle of Man into

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Guernsey I believe saw a similar sort of

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thing would you mind showing us on on a

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chart exactly your course and where you

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saw these these these two UFOs no

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problem at all a position of the the

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first one would have been about here

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just south of the caskets which

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according to radar and the position of

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the second one in relation to that one

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was probably around here somewhere very

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close to Guernsey I would have imagined

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got a definite contract by 12 o'clock

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very bright yellow object we're looking

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well like a cigar and the water

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passengers can see this weather is fine

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good visibility I asked the air traffic

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controller do you have an aircraft in my

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12 o'clock so yeah Roger

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um I do have a primary contact uh eight

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miles or so to the west of old men all I

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saw really was This brilliant yellow

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object with this dark band and at the

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edges of the dark band was this very

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uh sparkling Light Between the dark and

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the yellow I looked out the window and I

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could see a very very bright light I

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assumed because you assume that

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everything is perfectly normal and that

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there's a logical explanation for

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everything I assumed that perhaps it was

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sunlight reflecting off the windscreen

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on a boat or something of that sort it

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was that kind of brightness well there's

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farther away

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the second one

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[Music]

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the same

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just just hanging there yeah stationary

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this area here was just sparkling

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with lights running up and down it was

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quite special we've got something about

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eight o'clock resembling the description

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very soon I saw a second light which

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looked more or less as though it were

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over where the airport would be

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so the idea that it was a light from a

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boat uh no longer held any any Merit

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because this other Lake would have been

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where the land was it was running it was

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pretty scary so these are very very

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large aircraft

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um that obviously weren't supposed to be

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where they were so they're uncontrolled

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they're out of air control so I didn't

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know where they were going to go what

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they were going to do you know we're

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we're rational people who saw an

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irrational thing what happened with the

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report what happened was nothing

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um

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that's what happens with all the UFO

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cases there's nothing to report as the

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normal reply is that it's no threat to

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British airspace thank you for coming in

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and thank you for speaking up because I

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know from private conversations I've had

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over the years with the commercial

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pilots sometimes I'm up in a cockpit

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with them they do see things

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um and they and they tend not to report

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them because they don't want to be

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laughed at or have their careers

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jeopardized exactly so why have you

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decided to speak out about this well I

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didn't actually decide uh to speak out

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at all actually the Press asked another

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company which I work for

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um to what I mind doing interviewing the

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company being a quite a forward-thinking

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firm had an objection in fact uh pretty

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much actively encouraged it so that's

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how it happened really well how did the

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Press get hold of it then did passengers

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you weren't the only person who saw this

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phenomenon what were you there were some

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passengers who saw it and also another

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pilot yes simultaneously well let's

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we've got an artist's impression that we

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knocked up here this afternoon on our

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computer paint box

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um is that kind of what you saw is that

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well it was a brilliant uh yellow object

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the brightness you've got there about

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two-thirds from left to right

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um it was a graphite gray uh section if

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you want to call it a fuselage we don't

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know yet what it was or looking into it

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and how big was it uh difficult to say

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once again but I saw it from 50 miles

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away so

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um any object from 50 miles away must

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have been fairly enormous what about a

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mile long it's possible yeah it probably

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didn't move but there I had a great

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opportunity the other day from Jersey

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Air Traffic Control uh visiting their

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radar room and uh some interesting

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um traces let's put it that way from

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from the radar really indicate that

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there's a possibility that they did pick

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up on from both Guernsey and Jersey

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Radar uh traces spurious traces they

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call for around about 55 minutes how

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long did you see it for I saw it in

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total for 12 minutes can I show you a

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picture

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um this is I'm sure you've seen this

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picture it's a lenticular I'm a very

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rare but but known formation this was

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taken some years ago could it have been

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something like that could it have been

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some very very strangely formed Cloud do

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you think no well I think highly

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unlikely yeah lots of lenticularis in my

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time um but just doesn't look like a

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cloud well you've seen a lot of clouds

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also had the opportunity of looking at

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this all these objects and there were

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two of them through binoculars 10 times

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magnification and

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it might be a very definite object in

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inside controlled airspace which

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shouldn't have been there what happened

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did you simply lose contact with it did

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this well I was Landing as a general

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flight from uh from Southampton going to

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Albany and the only reason I lost sign

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of it uh was because I descended through

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a Hazel air which uh it's very common in

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that area and having descended through

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the hazelands you know I couldn't see it

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anymore but it's almost certainly still

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there did the other pilot who was flying

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over Sark at the island of the sun did

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he report it in exactly the same terms

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yes because it was cited or they were

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cited in uh in inside controlled

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airspace uh the Pilot's under illegal

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obligation and I suspect this is where

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uh the the pressure come from and he's

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his father reported exactly the same as

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um let's see a couple of pictures from

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from the UFO File books these are these

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are genuine UFOs in the sense that no

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one's ever been able to explain what

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they are but they they happen they're

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very similar to the sort of thing that I

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saw yeah and my passengers that was

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famously uh I haven't seen it taken over

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um in 1957 and it's not a cloud that

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much we do

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doing what it is but it's not a cloud

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not a cloud that analysis shows that it

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wasn't a cloud but they don't know what

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it was uh hence UFO this is one from

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Russia in 1989 again analysis shows it's

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a genuine object it's not a cloud there

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is a cloud above it a faint one but that

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object is not a cloud again is that

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something

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um well so the object I saw was a very

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brilliant uh yellow much brighter color

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yeah much better it's emitting light

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good it was admitting you think it was

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enriching there was it was cloud above

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it and all the way down to Guernsey um

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yeah well that was that was what I first

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thought before I looked at through the

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binoculars that uh there's a lot of

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wineries called via greenhouses in

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Guernsey and the sun may have been

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reflecting from one of these wineries to

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the aircraft you often see them in

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France as well uh on the way down to the

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Channel Islands and uh they because the

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aircraft moves position and these

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Reflections are fixed in place they

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often disappear they always disappear if

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you have this one didn't disappear it

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just stayed stationary if you had to

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take an instinctive guess and I'm saying

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it's guests so I'm not asking for

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professionals because how could you

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possibly know would you say that it was

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something of this planet or something

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from outer space

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extremely difficult I mean I think a few

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years ago you interviewed Dr David Clark

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on a very similar sort of thing about

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four years ago I spoke to him today he's

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in charge of a team that's looking into

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this at the moment

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um I have been asked a question by the

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press and my simple answer was that I

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don't think it's from around here

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um I can't speculate any further than

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that but there is some information which

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is now being looked at and hopefully

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better come back one day and give you an

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answer to this but at the moment it's

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well it's not known when when you fly

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now I mean do you have a sort of

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slightly heightened awareness of what

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may be going on around you uh I think

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yes definitely yeah it's not the first

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object I've seen personally and I've

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spoken to a lot of other commercial

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pilots since this has happened and

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they've said on the quiet you know come

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around the corner I want to tell you

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about what I saw absolutely and I think

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what's going to happen now this may have

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opened the can and I think what all

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professional Pilots out there ought to

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be looking at is actually reporting

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everything they see and actually getting

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it yes itemized and written into the CIA

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and then perhaps we will find well I

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have to say The Unofficial first-hand

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accounts I've as I say had from

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professional Pilots many of them with as

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much experience as you have and they're

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not putting me on you know um are

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extraordinary some things that some guys

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have seen some say nothing in an entire

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career we interviewed the British

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Airways pilot who also came out in the

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1960s he saw a silver disc didn't he

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picked it up on his radar it's picked up

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on ground Raider over the bear Biscay

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um pretty big and it traveled at immense

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speed way faster than the speed of sound

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and disappeared under his right wing and

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it was a shroud silver disc you know

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like they're supposed to be

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extraordinary yeah this object looked

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like a CD disc on edge if you like yeah

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but very sharp and extremely well

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defined well thank you very much for

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coming and describing it to us that's

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fascinating thank you thank you we

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worked out from just under 60 miles away

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so we're talking in the middle of the

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day

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uh and a very very brilliant yellow

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light which wasn't blinding to look at

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but incredibly uh sparkling sort of

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shivering shape from like I said 60

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miles away when I first saw it and

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called it in and I was estimating that

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it was around about five to seven miles

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away but it wasn't it was a lot further

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10 times further and getting closer and

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closer and closer to the one object and

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then noticing a second object further

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away from it was exactly the same design

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and quite happy to descend and get out

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the way of it actually because it was

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looking pretty frightening

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um but yeah an interesting day out not

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not many days like that the on the radar

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traces that I've got there's a yellow a

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yellow dot which comes as a reflection

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from Guernsey and a red dot which is a

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reflection from Jersey and at all times

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these um red and yellow dots are

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appearing on these objects that are

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getting slightly further and further

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apart from each other at all times now

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with the curvature of the earth and the

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height of Sark uh the Jersey head if it

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was a ship wouldn't be able to see

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a boat in the water from where it is

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positioned halfway along the North Coast

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of Guernsey it's outside Jersey he

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wouldn't be able to see this boat on the

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surface of the water but at all times a

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red reflection to the radar is visible

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so that proves to me that it wasn't on

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the sea surface also the radar tracks go

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directly over top of cascad's lighthouse

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not many ships do that and what my worry

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was when taking off on the after that

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flight the 264 going getting air

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boarding and going to Southampton the

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last time I saw it was literally just

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off the end of the island between

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Cascades and uh and Albany and I was we

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couldn't see anything from the ground

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because there was a haze layout at 2000

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feet and I was worried about climbing

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straight up into it but

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it had gone so in actual fact the two

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radar tracers which started there and

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then separated

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in one in each Direction the radar

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traces stopped or started and then

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stopped at exactly the same time so

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these two machines whatever were

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operating in conjunction with one

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another but no

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um

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why would anybody like to experiment

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with a military aircraft in in class a

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controlled airspace in the middle of the

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day doesn't make any sense so I would

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have thought it's someone that don't

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necessarily doesn't necessarily know the

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rules

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therefore as I've said many times

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they're probably not from around here I

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suspect they're um uh exoplanetary